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but in the form of actually release form for you.

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The thing we were in order to as the first I asked you know there are there was any there was dark but then N.S.F.

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Then regionals. But the idea of having the net take off for people that weren't DARPA contractors.

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I thinking machines we were able to get on the DARPA net.

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Because we were a DARPA contractor was very difficult took six months of a full time person to get us on the DARPA net

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in one thousand nine hundred five and it was hard as hell and

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but the little garden basically made it so that any old person and more than that not just themselves

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but the way Ben Franklin OIS tried to make things that weren't just you had to go to Ben Franklin

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but he made it so that you could go to other people in the neighboring other people to create their own ideas piece

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and I don't know their four hundred I S P's now in the Bay Area in large part because of the little girl the two things

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that were what was special about the garden is no restriction of resale which was just basic for.

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Everyone's concern you know the whole place will crumble you know you'll just start reselling it you know just max out

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these connections and. What we want to do is who are there really was a kind of a cooperative.

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You know if you heard that. Was what happened is John rocky and.

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John Gilmore and Steve Crocker actually pretty much three original people

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and two crackers trust your information systems. John wrong key F.T.P. Software and John Gilmer.

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Probably know him through sickness and such

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and they wanted a connection at that point it was like two thousand dollars for for a connection from.

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From all to alternate.

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And in order for them to be able to do like like resell it was going to cost him five thousand dollars

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and he said that it's bogus for a team.

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So the actually sort of they knew Rick Adams really well and said hey listen can we do this cooperated

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and say yeah sure. And when one knows who else was around there probably and. Rick said Yeah sure.

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Don't just don't let me expand much. Of course Gilmore being Gilmore said Sure no problem.

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Well at that point he he ran a fifty six K.

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Up to what is called protocol and he called me up

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and I was working with him because I wrote the software that took fire to fight an ad up to the Internet.

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And he said I got this connection.

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We really like to be able to get more people on it and so we got a copy of what was called Q.

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At that point which was kind of T.C.P. IP software written by Phil current.

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and using that card already under immense DOS hacked it up. So that my machine at home could call into it.

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and so we were able to start something slip connections which was something that you really just didn't have we didn't

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have the hardware or the

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or the money to be able to do this we were making these little boxes out of four hundred dollars at the most to be able

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to do this stuff.

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and bigger at that point we said gee we really can't manage this on our own again as with we kind of cooperated not

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that many people were. Thing out of the co-op.

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So we hired Tom Jennings who I had known again from the fighter days because they did the photos and phone network

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and he had just quit Apple and he was like pissed off the corporate world

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and just didn't want to deal with that whole scene at all.

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So he said yeah this sounds cool I can just or we're this tiny little company and you know make a couple bucks

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and you know do my skateboarding and all that other stuff. And we came to cut.

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How much people would do you know pay into this thing. It was like ten bucks per person. Plugged in.

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and bigger like how many people actually had sort of accounts of put it for me this was what happened as we outstripped

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the nost boxes we had about six knots boxes each with four seal cards

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and to us was about twenty four lines are going into to John's Place which got a little messy that the phone company

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guy and this was a woman as well it came as another phone line for two at all

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and they got to know Israel Well we had like you know punch blocks

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and telephone lines going through his basement the whole thing.

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John's little poor little fifty six cave leg.

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So soon as we the next step was co-locating with the chemical M.F.'s metropolitan fiber systems

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and where we put in a bunch more quickly to fulfill for market and then we just moved everybody to a hall over there.

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and getting really scared like gee what happens if her company collapses in six months.

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But where was total What sort of it was in the heat Ashford you know that's where Jones Jones places

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but it's named after a strong. The little garden is named after a struggle over it.

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I mean the little garden is a later incarnation.

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and everybody else would meet at the little garden.

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and things like that and our last meeting there we basically.

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Took over the whole restaurant we just showed up and the people there just when I would do it all these people

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and so we just ended up all these tables so we kind of like outstrip the restaurant as well so that was the that's what

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we took it was all right yes it was all very stylish you know.

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and there's a car just over the yeah sure you want to be able to get that it's just that sort of grassroots

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and the West Coast. I think that's why you see the West Coast company you know what we invent of the. Internet.

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and all those Yeah I know you know I mean we you know fell in science and everybody else you know

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or are just involved in this stuff as well you know he got his community very stuff going and he started using this

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or instruction but he was using a structure. Wired Magazine their first connection with us.

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And if you talk to them and they mention Brown. I don't know. I only I will cry out for a little bit of a little guy.

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Let's get out of here. This is before they move this is the original location and this people warehouse like place.

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but it was like just who's in that line that you know Yuma.

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and that was another one was just that was our lives.

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And finally they just kind of stripped down connected directly to spread it gives them a landmark do you move to the

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city must be around the one nine hundred ninety I have actually we are quite well it's really the way.

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You're in your face you know because of the ways that people in that part of you know me because I'm thinking that

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we've been doing this for about four years now ninety six ninety one ninety two it was wired started pretty well

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and they must have had some interest in the Internet at the time

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when they you know I remember they had some stuff they had an F.T.P. Site they had gopher originally Wired magazine.

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I don't remember them having a website. I remember the movie was that the web didn't exist one when they started.

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Yeah I mean the Web site. It didn't exist commercially or in any Well I mean even by ninety two.

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You could say the weather existed but you know anyone that's been to some. You know I tell them yeah.

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Tell that story for me one of the major turning point because that was

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when they allowed me to get you know just then you know what. They had really it's now.

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Yeah they got really expensive stacks like yours and they had a really nice stable staff also just took up space.

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There was still current. And there was no way that it was the first mark. That really.

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Not only itself to bring lots of users.

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But also brought hundreds of other companies into I remember John during say Brewster you know.

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Maybe three or four companies doing this stuff. Now that this time next year they'll be a thousand.

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He was absolutely right. It's not low.

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and going from ninety two to ninety three there was a there was an Internet world that the first Internet world was

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very interesting to me and that the real people were there.

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One person's comment is there are more C.E.O.'s in this room than anything else.

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These are C.E.O.'s where they didn't have any other employees like and the it's almost all like science projects.

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You know this is you know the table with the with the tablecloth right

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and the little stand up you know this is who I am never let it print out a business card because they don't have the

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name of the company before they went there in the film.

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What I would you know heard about the home brew computer club and.

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but the little garden was from my point of view the first that was trying to bring it outside of the research

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and big company networks at that point all the big high tech companies have the net

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and they're all doing in trying that's because their Unix Unix based places.

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But they're trying to get it out to the wild skateboarders

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and the like took the little girl companies before that around that time C.M.S.

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Sprint was around at that point they were doing M.C.I. We were their first question. First what's called commercial.

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We got through their government division because we partially funded. We were the company that we interact with here.

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So we were able to sort of actually get connected. But the companies around the N.S.F.

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Sponsored regionals which are things like Barnett. Yes Mr REDLICH. Turn a couple.

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But then the only other sort of white commercial at that point

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and they were they were interested in getting slow connection interested in doing.

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The connections that would be affordable. Like you know really hadn't really occurred people experiment in you know.

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yes we've seen.

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Yeah yeah but we still wanted to make sure that any Tom Dick

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or Harry could plug in reasonable cost her first price is the way we set it up if you would buy the phone line on each

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This is a way that we don't have to incur the cost of the billing

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and we would charge a seventy dollars for something that was still a little higher like two

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or three times what cable T.V. Cost. But we had a lot of done. Particularly with people who just get connected.

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You don't have these twenty five.

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Our connection connections so you could have all these people like serious hackers and have like three

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or four maybe ten machines and put them behind that one connection.

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As opposed to today where people just reply on the Internet and source code first started putting out ways.

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Not binary the idea of putting up binary is was it was thought it was corrupt because it was wasting bandwidth.

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So you never compile from source so you can say I know what. That was and then started distributing code biter.

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For mac stuff had always been distributed by. But the Unix code stories about to fall.

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Yeah the head full days it's like a desert while one message I want to run this is a social experiment in the free

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world. I put out one message to one email list..

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Which was ways talk and about a hundred people on that point that there is this release of way. And here's the F.T.

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Press and there are seventy databases in the directory of stores. There's a directory service seventy databases.

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Most of them on a Connection Machine. Some of them on that MIT and you can download the stuff and I just watch.

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And posting reposed on lots of different groups

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and try the first people with people who are willing to work because I was the first thing that had happened.

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It ran on Sun's knows about it and people poured everything and then people started setting up databases

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and they'd send in their their registration to be part of the directory of servers and it just spread

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and that sort of classic exponential approach but it was very interesting to see the community just be alive

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and well community of people saying this is cool.

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It's based on open stuff allows us to do something we've never been able to do before go for it and

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and it just spread and the freer community is still alive and well today. Things like Linux. Corporate. Endeavors that.

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Big you know you're part of the huge just a few that are supporting just free software. Yeah that's weird.

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It's like one of the best compilers you need something to support the idea of the free software store.

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Richard Stallman thing the money to be made is from support not from the code.

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I mean that's fulfilling and that's what we do is create a company supporting but you supporting things like.

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and also what's interesting is he's doing all these really good companies doing all these interesting little hacks

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and very generous new bright processing that companies need to see them investing in their G.C.C.

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Process so well you know I don't get that.

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West Coast where you don't have a meeting in a meeting room we had a meeting in a place called the right spot which was

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south of Market which is this little diner and it is completely great and then came in

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and put this thing down on the desk and it was the telephone. I said our cell phone he said you know.

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It's a radio phone just this guy and he said well I've got this connection

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and they don't bill me to be able you want to dial anywhere in the world.

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Unpatched into Pac Bell and this was a different kind of guy who then got into his car

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and you know this thing where normally people just have a stereo.

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Radio and so there's all the ham radio sets to be able to tie into lots of different networks went over to his house

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and he said. Quiet. And he went down to his basement in a place that he doesn't live anymore.

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So this is a bootleg radio station when I know all of the people that are where the different trucks are they go

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and track radio stations

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and he knew the frequency to use such that there was a hill in between him so he didn't actually interrupt the

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frequency of a real raised but was a pirate radio station that broadcast at.

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Extremely high wattage and then he said oh and the P.C. Running the ways servers for the emergency broadcast system.

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Because you need to be able to get information to lots and lots of people if there's an earthquake

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and all that was done through voice over radio but that doesn't make any sense. So you defeat of it.

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Going into a ways server that can be accessed over the Internet of course over a tele bit trailblazer going to a phone

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line to the little garden and it was getting hits all the time. And that was fine and so. This was the sort of.

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Derrida livingness that happened in San Francisco.

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When a new technology that didn't go and say oh that's the D.O.D.'s horrible

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but the San Francisco community just as they did with P.C.'s

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when so this is something that we could use for the people and when did things.

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So where things were done with radio

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and Tim was instrumental in building a lot of radio stations is now done on the Internet

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but that's the mechanism to get at large numbers of people.

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And if you're a small scale producer and you want to put something out. It's the Internet.

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And that's I found that very much inspiring after coming out of a more or less the dark world. To my to my T.

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Friends frogs good memories or forgot about it till we scanned so much equipment wiring up third world peace. Net.

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It's here in the Presidio. Meter and I mean they've moved you have you know that you know if you go.

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MARSALIS Margrave That's right yeah. And that's because a friend of mine works.

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So if the market is actually over here it's a. Right. You see you're trying to think tank of creative high tech.

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This is going to be university type atmosphere among people in their twenty's and thirty's things flowers here.

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Because we've got this place we've got the only reason we've got a campus atmosphere in San Francisco.

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Right now is fairly And so as it is. So what does the workstation do right.

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and use the P.C.'s for what they're good for the web never has used to basically as a dumb terminal

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or things that find information and put them on your machine for you. Important right.

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The Web really doesn't work for a lot of users because it's you have to search for and that's just not mainstream.

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Using information servers. So how does it do it different interface possibilities newspaper format.

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Geographically books on the shelf. There are a bunch of different ideas and user interface.

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How do you go about doing that such that it's robust the Web wasn't really designed for cashing in.

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and everybody like that could be that there was sort of yeah we want to do pizza ordering right because it was a bunch

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And what policies were trying to put some of that together through the archives. Servers that rate other servers.

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but it went public to take all sorts of information on who you are

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and what your company name is nothing about what you do know it's a crime. It's a crime.

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I mean you know all I have to do is get them to say add this whole thing to your template you know you're really

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draining it making it part of the infrastructure.

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We've basically got a very thin piece of infrastructure out there you know this time. So roll of editors right.

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How do you use both human editors and computer editors right that's the wave that will happen.

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So the idea of what do you Silicon Valley for and so that's why you know basically the things that have come about.

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Why open protocols provides wider acceptance of our hardware independence protecting the users' privacy.

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And including in that Steve Jobs way why ways is going to change the world turned out to not be ways to go for in the

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web but the basic structure of I think is still place and it didn't come from me. No one knows about me or synthesis.

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information service that was the one of the original blurbs that came out and. That was the pitch to thinking machines.

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We need to catalyze a market. So people making money to for these information servers. I wonder if I could find that.

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How do searching on supercomputers that now become P.C.'s so copy serve many tell.

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that was all I knew in at that time Switzerland system still assessing the system.

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when you're Yeah kind of fun to see that you don't think so. Well you have no. Every distribution just.

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was the ethics of digital library ship. Now that lots of people are becoming librarians in their usage blogs.

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How should they deal with that responsibility. There are proposals for the payment structures the U.R.L. Structures.

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The idea behind them and I just went on the original There's an awful lot of stuff in the ways.

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There's an awful lot of stuff in the emacs distribution a sort of you know we've got something to say we're going to

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say that I think I would rather like to say.

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So that I think you might find fun just you know when you're driving around or you know on a bus or something.

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I think you might find it fun. Well it's it's interesting to see how you know it's true.

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People are taught through all of this so clearly decades ago.

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I mean other than other than who really does Jesus so in such a vacuum.

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Yeah oh yeah I've got this wonderful signed copy of computer book. You know he wrote to me one name then out.

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The archive he said oh another piece of Santa do being done but in the course.

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We're just filling all of the things that you suggested so many years ago.

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or useful to do a history of some sort or I'd go. Different history files home. OK but history of ways.

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If you don't really really just the different segments like the apple segment different companies selling it to well

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integrated care and driving them. There were all the same buildings right there. They moved into the ways building.

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He came over here and he's giving us some hints on how to do that

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or just for your video you might want to just you know there's the robot

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and this sort of going in archiving the web which I think is somewhat interesting towards your web history.

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and what you're doing. But you realize that should be interconnected in other words.

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Ideally the anecdotal history like ours has that ritual that lead you to all the source material.

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I mean it's just another view of the source material that gathered here just because our God. You might want.

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another page and just goes through all of the websites

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and it's an ultra just running underneath somebody's desk a symbol of basically keep the T.V.

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or web crawler we're trying to get everything cleaning all of the images everything so you can recreate the web the way

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it was at any particular time.

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So you can dial the way back machine and experience what the Web looked like not but with all the C.G.I.

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Scripts in there certain job things but you won't be able to do that.

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But you'll be able to try to use the web the way it was or find a copy of record.

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Or what did a particular person say at a particular time or how can you cite a document.

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If the documents go away every forty four days the mean life of a document on the web is forty.

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That's what they say it based on one study we don't have numbers on that yet but it seems to be about right.

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But if you're not picking up a lot of stuff. I mean most virtual documents will not happen.

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Get whatever you could get to at that time but we don't know how to go and type anything into a search string.

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So anything that's in a database behind we cannot get so you're grabbing all this stuff down the pipe What kind of

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damage you have here. Do you want and we're will be bumping that up.

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But that that's enough to give you a million pages a day and if there are fifty to one hundred million pages.

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That's how long it'll take and once we get better at it.

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We'll run it in the San Diego supercomputer site and download quicker.

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So I'll show you with the sort of oh so there's really a scene where you know we've gathered six hundred gigabytes of

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material and it's sitting on this robot in a robot. That's down in San Diego.

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And you do have a backup Currently we've got only one copy though you know of course the you know as we're getting

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going more and more what I stand by those three

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or more of those things will be backed up in multiple places for faults in terms of technology

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but also political faults the Library of Alexandria was burned so we need to be able to preserve our digital history in

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multiple places under different regimes.

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technology or it dies.

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and our the organization with enough money to keep the bits alive.

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So any bits that are donated to the Internet are I will make sure has the money every ten years will keep it alive

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and when it comes time to work with the National Archives of the Library of Congress.

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So they can deal with terabytes then we will provide a copy.

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But right now there are no it's two ships that are doing large scale digital actions so I think the first is starting

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to build a collection that can become a digital library at least of this type of material

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and this is another son computer donated by some twenty gigabytes of hard drive space that's used as a cash.

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So if that machine or the other room gathers web pages and puts in a hundred megabyte chunk. Transfers it to this.

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Which is estimated between one and ten terabytes and that's what I'm growing at what we don't know we don't know.

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You know there is estimates it's doubling every seven months

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but frankly we just don't know we have not finished the first complete yet

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but it's going to go from early one thousand nine hundred six

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and we'll get some donations from what one of the callers Open Text had from one thousand nine hundred five.

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That'll be the earliest Web We have just been running for a couple weeks but it gathers about ten gigabytes of data.

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So it seems like a fair amount but there's a lot to go

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but you're sure that that's above the rate of increase at some point everybody is going to have their camcorders on the

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Internet and at that point we can't keep up. But right now we think we can be comprehensive.

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So you had a request for some of my nine hundred ninety two. Net News. So we've been and that we've got on our robot.

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So people come in through F.T.P.

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Contact this machine if it asks for a file it's not on disk it's on tape and it takes it from tape back on disk

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and then service it out and we're building services to be able to data mine.

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We don't think that this is correct or time capsule.

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It's to create new types of services that if you had the whole net in a place where you could do active manipulation of

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it to find trends and new ideas or changes over time. Then you can be a smarter organisation and that's what we're.

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Trying to build. Yeah.

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Somebody requested a file because of this whole notion big thing that is in there something working although the fact

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of the thing is smaller than most refrigerators is also an amazing feat Yes

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and it can store two terabytes which is about one tenth of the text in the Library of Congress is in this box.

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Tonally isn't ten of these and you have the text in all of the books of the United of the Library of Congress.

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So something very big has happened in the sense that computers now are able to manipulate all published material

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inexpensively in a way they're going to basically put computers in the library

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and help where you can read every book your computer can to go and figure out what it is you should be reading

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and this is easy

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and exciting be able to pull off a new services that never been possible to think of that we were at a funny juncture

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where the technology of course this can grapple with paper material ton of these would take a good portion of what

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but as you say as soon as everyone has their camcorder on the not they were right at that funny threshold before the

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flood of digital information right for richer media types

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and large part of the Net The Internet has got such small files because the internets.

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Keep it honest for a while for a little while

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but the flood bandwidth will come there from cable through wireless phone companies through every which way bandwidth

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will come but text.

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Everybody can only be typing all the time and that is small taxes and fractional portions

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and it's a very dense representation of knowledge.

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So you can manipulate it pewters can be smaller faster than the yeah right where these things used to just be in big

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shops super computers cost hundreds that millions of dollars.

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Now you can do it in a Little House On The Prairie here in the Presidio where it took one hundred forty million to go

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and build a library new library in San Francisco. How many times.

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Could you get that pipe

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or not it would take a couple of days ever turns out the library Congress isn't that much larger than the big library

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terms of the number of volumes big big libraries

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or five six million books library Congresses twenty just basically paper doesn't scan pewters they had a crane which

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the family got rid of and the switch to workstations virtual mainframes.

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The craze for the stairs as the tapes are all it was doing surveying was from the underground a high pressure machine

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cost five hundred dollars that was the fastest. Ten years ago cost five hundred dollars and it's not worth turning out.

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So just imagine what terabytes are going to mean your kids you know dad that's just a terabyte again very different you

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have some of the old stuff to be able to put on it.

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I love that statement but I wonder which one's going to be true if it's not digital it will be say one statement

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and I read another one if it's digital it won't be said without people doing what you're doing clearly just.

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Yeah there's an advantage. You could really use the time. Why would you.

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Why would you want to keep it up when we go into space. We can break up your cell phone from there.

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Yes we'll have to hurry though I have to be able to catch up with you I Love Lucy was our But the Early Show

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and you know we say good riddance. But Ted Turner archive early T.V.

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Programs for one billion dollars with the stuff and he's been doing very well by by using it

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but also the early stuff as people stream early people say you know in the early people like you doing your dinosaur

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exhibit you've got this ability to be able to do something new and different.

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And at some point people just say you know can't do that and focus in on all it can do

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but in the beginning you have just amazing things early. Of ways.

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I thought those would be the most valuable things is one of the questions that people ask at the net

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and so I kept all of those lines are you have those of just what people look for what are people reading that the

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technology can finally answer right now. Already the web is sort of you know stagnated.

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You know people's idea of it is really focused down to sort of the stuff that the technicians have given

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but it's the early dreams that is what we should be trying to live up to so trying to keep some of that alive so that

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was an exciting period when there.

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It was I mean Newton in the apple for you with was when did this

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when did you decide this is going to be my project rather than just a random thought one thousand nine hundred eight

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when I decided what context were you in the bath driving the car.

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It wasn't a Eureka quit the question I had was how do you find a field supercomputers basically

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and by nine hundred eighty eight.

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It looked like we've come up with most of the reasonable ideas

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and so the techs are ten years at least from my point of view for the phase that I'm usually involved in.

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I want to find a field that would have interesting problems to solve for twenty five years because I didn't want to

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have to change fields and the only one I could come up with was helping answer tough questions for people.

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What's my bank balance little computers answering the hard questions should I go back to graduate school should I marry

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this woman what books I read that hard questions I want to be able to help make computers answer those that was the

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goal that I started with and ways was the first time which was making always open.

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Protocols work turned out to not be the ways protocols but that's fine. One in the way women.

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Thanks large part to Tim Berners Lee then. So the protocols were necessary then is.

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Building an infrastructure for collection of the content and the usage of the information at step two.

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That's what we're involved in now.

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Step three is to help answer the hard questions tracking people's history so you can learn from other people's mistakes

405
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or other people's examples and basically by having computer records of what's going on and how other people won

406
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and lost how their careers turned and twisted what worked for people.

407
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What hopefully we're building a resource they can play some of the augment the role of mentor in small towns to answer

408
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the head hard question. We're just in phase two.

409
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So I'm just surprised that we're in the end of one thousand nine hundred six

410
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and this is as far as we are we've got a long way to go

411
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but unfortunately we screwed up some of the distributed nature of them and so we're trying to do.

412
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Step number two here and I'm going to move on before. I'm forty one. What are you going to do you don't.